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thataccount 2 days ago [-]
Strangely odd culture to pick a recipe from or dedicate a site to.
yubblegum 2 days ago [-]
Cradle of civilization is not an odd culture. Babylon, meaning Gate of God, is one of the more profoundly influential urban civilizational clusters in human history.
thataccount 2 days ago [-]
So they are calling Babylon the cradle of civilization now? Vicious, sure. Child-sacrificing, absolutely. Cradle? Urban? Maybe in hell.
ahazred8ta 2 days ago [-]
To an archeologist, 'civilization' refers to builders of walled cities inhabited by non-farmers with complex social sructure, division of labor, and usually some form of taxation. Highly moral hunter gatherers living in mud huts are not a 'civilization' in this context. Now you know.
thataccount 2 days ago [-]
>Highly moral hunter gatherers living in mud huts are not a 'civilization' in this context. Now you know.
Hmm. Then that sounds like large swaths of Africa are not civilizations today. Where might I find someone willing to put that down in a modern archaeological journal? After all, your definition ought to apply across the spectrum, right?
krapp 2 days ago [-]
The vast majority of Africans aren't hunter-gatherers living in mud huts. They have actual cities with highways and skyscrapers and everything.
thataccount 2 days ago [-]
I'm not arguing for what is a majority. I'm talking about the large portions of Africa that still live in a hunter-gatherer situations in mud huts.
ahazred8ta 2 days ago [-]
Villages in New Guinea, the Amazon, etc, the word you're looking for is 'cultures'.
The reason we're talking about the recipe is because it's one of the oldest recorded recipes, which is because they had writing.
thataccount 1 days ago [-]
>'cultures'.
That's interesting, because I don't really think of a "culture" as smaller than a "civilization". I think of a culture being a necessary thread that runs through a civilization and without which there are no civilizations.
krapp 2 days ago [-]
Africa comprises an entire continent. There are not large portions of it (or "large swaths") where people still live as hunter-gatherers living in mud huts, for any reasonable definition of "large portion."
thataccount 1 days ago [-]
> for any reasonable definition of "large portion."
I'm sure those relatively voiceless cultures will appreciate your minimization of their contribution to the peoples of Africa.
krapp 1 days ago [-]
You're the one who was claiming most Africans were hut-dwelling hunter-gatherers earlier. I'm not the one minimizing anything or anyone, just stop it.
thataccount 1 days ago [-]
Uh, what? I'm not sure where you are pulling that accusation from. I said very succinctly that I was not talking about what was the majority in Africa. I think you are confused.
Hmm. Then that sounds like large swaths of Africa are not civilizations today. Where might I find someone willing to put that down in a modern archaeological journal? After all, your definition ought to apply across the spectrum, right?
Cultures: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Pottery_culture & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamnaya_culture & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corded_Ware_culture & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people
Civilizations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Great_Zimbabwe & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Valley_Civilisation & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztecs
The reason we're talking about the recipe is because it's one of the oldest recorded recipes, which is because they had writing.
That's interesting, because I don't really think of a "culture" as smaller than a "civilization". I think of a culture being a necessary thread that runs through a civilization and without which there are no civilizations.
I'm sure those relatively voiceless cultures will appreciate your minimization of their contribution to the peoples of Africa.